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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some new pics are on the Tecmo facebook:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the exception of Vueguy and xino, you all sound like a bunch of babies. Nitpicking at every single thing that is wrong with the game. Now don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion should I can't totally blame you for how you feel. And I know I'm about to piss off a lot of you with this.

But did any of you stop to realize that this is a DEMO only, 30 PERCENT. Their is a LARGE possibility that alot the things in this game won't be in the final cut. Did you ever stop to think that maybe Hayashi is testing some ideas out to see fan reaction and the finished product could be way different again.

Next, I particularly like the sword and the new focus put on it. Personally it's my favorite weapon to practice with and I own a few katanas. I know alot of you people are complaining about the lack of other weapons but I can't agree because I simply don't have enough time in my everyday LIFE to play them all. I would have preferred to still have the claws, they were used for climbing too, and maybe dual swords back. But I can do without the bo (it's invincible spinning top move) or the scythe's ridiculously overpowered UT.

The OT events are just fine by me because they cause you to "pay attention". No more just mash a combo then OLC for a level two UT. I don't know about you but once you understand the game that is pretty much all you had to do in NG to get through it. True the enemies are aggressive and require a lot of skill to get away, but if get a Level 3 scythe just spam Level2 UT. Rinse and repeat. Helped me beat Master Ninja anyway. The glowing arm is the same thing and it also requires you to "pay attention." No more special floating orbs filling up the screen. Not saying that was bad, but just different.

Lastly, as we all know Team Ninja has striven to be historically accurate with the representation of Ninja in their games. People complaining about this "working with the government" just make me laugh because Ninja "did work for the government." They worked as mercenaries hiring out their services to small clans who were being oppressed, rival samurai clans to cause constant conflict between, etc. As I stated in another post Tokugawa Ieyasu united Japan with the help of Hattori Hanzo. Using his connections to prepare for the battle of Sekigahara. Once Ieyasu took over he placed the Ninja as his private security force, giving the Ninja more clearance than a samurai.
The ninjas tactics have influenced EVERY military and intelligence group on the planet. So it only makes sense that the JDF would seek out Ryu Hayabusa for help, a specialist, a "super-ninja."

I love the stealth parts, Hayashi answered my hope of putting more "ninja" stuff in Ninja Gaiden. When I first started to study Ninjutsu my sensei said "the best block is to not be there in the first place." Suffice it to say, Ryu wasn't running he was just moving to a better position to come with a better angle. It makes no sense in combat for every time I hit you, you hit me back. In that case we should just be Rock 'em Sock 'em robots.

Good job Hayashi keep it up. Way to modernize a classic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I see it the more I am loving the combat, but its obvious the decapitation HAS to be in it, its a part of visceral and brutal combat NG delivers.

And Hayashi said sword focus?
Fine, but have like Kitetsu, dual swords, cleaver and Dragon Sword, would be awesome.

In all NG games 99% I used Dragon Sword so I am okay with that, but add various different sword variations.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mohsin117 wrote:
some new pics are on the Tecmo facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/mohsin117#!/photo.php?fbid=10150220105411785&set=a.447526906784.229273.109196331784&type=1&theater


Give me the artwork BIGGER. HD widescreen! Looks amazing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll keep it short and sweet: The abundance of QTE's and their execution would have even God of War purists scoffing. There is a QTE for almost everything but moving it seems.

I'll keep an open mind, but I'm questioning the middle-ground approach they're attempting at catering to the hardcore and casual action fans. Not to mention the realistic setting.. I liked the pseudo realistic environments of NGII and preferred NG1's completely fictional settings by far.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: nagging man Reply with quote

Okeeee. My impressions:

- I'm glad they haven't changed the core gameplay. It's still fast and fluid like NG1 and 2 and I love it. 90% was NG, and 10% was QTE

- good to see that there is NO dismemberment. Well, it's good for me, since I live in Germany and dont have to import that game. It's bloody enough and the sound of breaking bones is pretty brutal if you ask me. Combine this with the slow motion cam and you have a level of gore which is even cooler than just having some cheap arms and legs flying around. And I guess the current art and design of gore and blood was TNs best compromise for having a bloody game and the chance to sell it worldwide without getting blacklisted (not just in Germany). And btw, if they really want to focus on Ryus personality, it was the best decision. In NG2 he was a blood thirsty werewolf, but not a human. My opinion. And looks like Hayashi's as well, lol

- the sneaking scenes dont really fit the gameplay, but they fit Ryu. He's a ninja after all. A nice bonus

- the new gamesave is awesome

- the stun ability for Ryus dash looks useful

- the changed UTs are good. Tell me what you want guys, but there never was a risk by using the UT jumping quick-charge trick in previous games. And it was lame that NGs score system only rewared UT spammers. Good to see this nonsense finally gone

- IMO these QTEs during the actual combat against soldiers etc. are a bit annoying after a while. I hope you can turn them off at least

- kunai-climb seems pretty pointless. With a ladder you could do the same and it saves time xD

- the performed UT was lame. Was basically just a connection of some random attacks instead of a long unique combo. Maybe this changes when the weapon becomes stronger.



I'm looking forward to this game.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sath wrote:
The more I see it the more I am loving the combat, but its obvious the decapitation HAS to be in it, its a part of visceral and brutal combat NG delivers.

And Hayashi said sword focus?
Fine, but have like Kitetsu, dual swords, cleaver and Dragon Sword, would be awesome.

In all NG games 99% I used Dragon Sword so I am okay with that, but add various different sword variations.


It's the opposite for me. The more I see it, the more I hate it. Those QTE prompts are obnoxious. And no other weapons besides the sword? WTF? I want my flails dammit. Total downgrade in terms of combat and game mechanics. :\
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, the game is 30% complete and comes out next year. What do you expect? A (nearly) final version of NG3, lol? ^^

It was just a gameplay demo. It was about the core gameplay of NG3 and not about extra features, weapons or characters. Just be patient. They will show more soon enough.


And btw, it looks like you can force the short QTEs during smaller enemies. Becasue there were scenes where Ryu attacked for at least 5 seconds but no QTE triggered, and sometimes the game triggered one scene after another.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to the people talking about weapons, I really think that the game will only have bladed weapons due to the new mechanics (similar to how 90% of Kratos' weapons have chains due to GoW mechanics).

I am almost certain we can say goodbye to the lunar, tonfas or the nunchaku in NG3.

I am digging the artwork though, looks awesome.

Kind of off-topic but it was cool to see Ninja Gaiden 3 running on the new Wii today on nintendo's conference. Back to a nintendo console I mean, maybe I will play it on that instead of ps3...

Oh who am I kidding, ps3 it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gutted because I really want a Wii U but I'm not sure I'll be able to afford one. At least not unless I make a sacrifice. Thing is I'm not sure how Sath would feel me trading my PS3.

As for the weapons its bull. Hayashi is taking the easy route by leaving them out. I'll get used to it but I liked some of Ryu's other toys. So no extra playable characters and likely a lack of weapons Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of images http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=14057&article_id=1367789

They have the image I wanted, really nice, and very damn big lol
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/7/7/8/9/NinjaGaiden3_TecmoKoei_KeyArt_June6.jpg.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackNinja9 wrote:
With the exception of Vueguy and xino, you all sound like a bunch of babies. Nitpicking at every single thing that is wrong with the game. Now don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion should I can't totally blame you for how you feel. And I know I'm about to piss off a lot of you with this.

I think thatís a little unfair this is a forum hell itís a fan forum for the game this is where people should be nitpicking, and again itís a fan forum this is what fans of games to break down everything from a game mechanic to the colour of something is different

And you know absolutely no hate to you guys that like what been but out, I mean none of us want the game to fail we all what the game to be good and itís not like were nitpicking at stuff that isnít there or that isnít there
BlackNinja9 wrote:
But did any of you stop to realize that this is a DEMO only, 30 PERCENT. Their is a LARGE possibility that alot the things in this game won't be in the final cut. Did you ever stop to think that maybe Hayashi is testing some ideas out to see fan reaction and the finished product could be way different again.

Everybody on this sit knows that the game is only 30% done, and we are commenting on what we can see, whatís been shown to us, whatís been said, you canít really just say ďthe game is 30% done so letís not like or hate it until its 70% doneĒ
And your totally right maybe Hayashi is just testing out ideas, now keeping that in mind read the top part of your comment again,
TN are going to be looking for a reaction from fans, be it good or bad theyíll get and if fans donít ďnitpickĒ at it they wonít get that feedback

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Next, I particularly like the sword and the new focus put on it. Personally it's my favorite weapon to practice with and I own a few katanas. I know alot of you people are complaining about the lack of other weapons but I can't agree because I simply don't have enough time in my everyday LIFE to play them all. I would have preferred to still have the claws, they were used for climbing too, and maybe dual swords back. But I can do without the bo (it's invincible spinning top move) or the scythe's ridiculously overpowered UT.

O come on man, iv been playing DOAD I use Hayate a lot like all the time but that doesnít mean that I donít want other fighters, or in a racing game you have your best car but does that mean there shouldnít be any other cars even lower tier cars in the game, same goes for guns in a shooter

And having all these weapons is a part of NG, its NGs thing no other game dose it like NG, other games have one good or primary weapon and everything else is just secondary and not that good and its part of NG the weapons

Now iv played many games that only have one weapon and theyíve been good even grate, is going one weapon a grate move for NG no,

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The OT events are just fine by me because they cause you to "pay attention". No more just mash a combo then OLC for a level two UT. I don't know about you but once you understand the game that is pretty much all you had to do in NG to get through it. True the enemies are aggressive and require a lot of skill to get away, but if get a Level 3 scythe just spam Level2 UT. Rinse and repeat. Helped me beat Master Ninja anyway. The glowing arm is the same thing and it also requires you to "pay attention." No more special floating orbs filling up the screen. Not saying that was bad, but just different.

Well you see I think it requires less attention now, you just wait for the on screen prompt and hit it, and as for the lvl 3 Scythe your putting forward like a NGS2 mentality ďif itís broken or overpowered donít fix it just get rid of itĒ if the Scythe UT is an issue it should be fixed not gotten rid of,

And honestly I think you have to pay less attention now with the glowing arm, now with the glowing arm it glows you hit Y/triangle and bam UT, before kill an enemy and get the essence, you judge the distance from the essence and the distance of the enemy, can you pull the essence in before the enemy gets to you, then you have to keep in mind is the essence blue, red or yellow and you have to decide do you sacrifice life or ninpo for a lvl 2 UT and then after you charged the UT thereís the distance from you and the enemy, is he too far away for he UT to hit?

But now with the red arm it as though the essence is stuck on your back, once itís started glowing you could just run in to a group of enemyís and realise a UT

Now this is all going on what we seen and want we can make out, so it could change or this could be really cool in practice, but from where im standing it seems you pay less attention now than ever

BlackNinja9 wrote:
Lastly, as we all know Team Ninja has striven to be historically accurate with the representation of Ninja in their games. People complaining about this "working with the government" just make me laugh because Ninja "did work for the government." They worked as mercenaries hiring out their services to small clans who were being oppressed, rival samurai clans to cause constant conflict between, etc. As I stated in another post Tokugawa Ieyasu united Japan with the help of Hattori Hanzo. Using his connections to prepare for the battle of Sekigahara. Once Ieyasu took over he placed the Ninja as his private security force, giving the Ninja more clearance than a samurai.
The ninjas tactics have influenced EVERY military and intelligence group on the planet. So it only makes sense that the JDF would seek out Ryu Hayabusa for help, a specialist, a "super-ninja."

Are TN striving to be more accrete historically accurate? I mean in all seriousness whatís historically accurate in NG part form Ryu whoís a ninja whoís Japanese, now I really really like seriously really doubt that TN added Sonia in to NG to make it more historically accurate,

Its funny I laugh at comments that say government agencies do make scene in NG

I know little about really ninjas and to be honest with you I donít really want to know about really ninjas I donít think there going to be as cool as Ryu or Hayate, and im not going to question anything youíve said about real ninjas, I do know little about them and that they were used in letís say politics Razz

And iv never said ninjas donít work with government agencies, iv always said it doesnít work in NG and I stand by that, itís stupid thatís the correct word for it ďstupidĒ it makes no scene, now we donít know whatís happening in NG3 but so far Ryu is in London looking for hostages, tell me thatís historically accurate, you know what would be historically accurate in this situation when there is a hostage situation in London, sending in the SAS, not bringing in a ninja from the other side of the world,

In the trailer what we her is that an unknown group launched a terrorist attack on London and they want Ryu Hayabusa, and I was like WHAT! And started laughing, I assumed that the unknown group was the Black Spider but like they know where the Hayabusa are thire at the village more the Ryu they probably rent a place at the Hayabusa village

I donít know here youíre getting this historically accurate thing from, I might be missing something, but government agencies donít work in NG hell it didnít even work in DOAD and it did makes some scene there, Ryu kills fiends he didnít work with any agencies in NG1 or NG2, in NG2 the CIA sent Sonia, why they sent Sonia I donít get I mean they seem to know everything about the friends why would you send this girls who canít do anything why would you not send a Tactical NUKE! And Ryu didnít even work with Sonia in he pretty much told her to naff off it was Joe how sent Ryu after the fiend and it made compleat scence Joe Hayabusa leader of the Hayabusa clan sends his boys out to go kill fiends and to avenge the clan, so if Ryu not working with government agencies in NG and NG2 is historically incorrect then im good with it,

Im positive they could do a great story and game about ninjas caring out hits and doing mercenary jobs for secret agencies and organisation I think it would fit in perfectly with the Hijin Mon but not with Ryu fighting fiends, and im not good with anyone having the Hayabusa as a department of thire agency

BlackNinja9 wrote:
I love the stealth parts, Hayashi answered my hope of putting more "ninja" stuff in Ninja Gaiden. When I first started to study Ninjutsu my sensei said "the best block is to not be there in the first place." Suffice it to say, Ryu wasn't running he was just moving to a better position to come with a better angle. It makes no sense in combat for every time I hit you, you hit me back. In that case we should just be Rock 'em Sock 'em robots.

Good job Hayashi keep it up. Way to modernize a classic.

I also like the stealth I think if it goes down a sort of Splinter Cell Conviction, aggressive stealth it could be cool I just hope itís not going to be like every now and again the screen fills with some and you perform a few stealth kills,

When you say more ninja stuff, do mean real world historically accurate ninja stuff or just Ninja stuff we aspect Ryu to be able to do

And Ryu getting a better angel position was exactly what I told myself, but the sad truth is they had Ryu run away for the sake of the story (they should have just had Ryu fight it there for the sake of the story) I donít know if it was posted her but hereís a Kotaku vid where the guy playing straight at it to fight it, then he realises heís got to run away and I think he was a bit disappointed
And Ryu shouldnít have to take a better position heís never had to go find a better angel

also like the slide its from DOAD

So far it dose sort of feel like NGS2 again where the majority off the now added stuff is very very cool but whatís killing the game is wants been removed, I do take back some of what I said about the one weapon and only Dragaon Sword cos Ryu uses the Blade of the Arch Feiand in the tester trailer, but that the teaser and in the NG2 teaser we seen Ryu with 3 weapons at once, but I do think itís going to be only dragon sword and maybe the blade of the Arch Fiend, co when he fights the boss the girl mentions the sword, and the animations for the kill of the boss would only work with a sword, I could be wrong and they might have different animations for the Luna and stuff but you know what going on what we seen im going to call it NG is going the one weapon root
I hope im wrong but iv been pointing out his hints for ages now

Also im really hoping that the lack of dismemberment is just censoring or because it early,
Watching it reminds me of the NGS2 JP trailer where the mist for the head coming off cam out but the head stayed on due to censoring
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hay wait a second!

Victor Donavons mask in Dead or alive Dimensions affter end creddits:

@32:19, DOAD Spoiller :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWxPptBGlE4

Ne NG3 but guy:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice find. I figured it would be someone we knew. No other reason to wear a mask. I guess Hayashi is planning connections to DOATEC. Could that mean Ryu is heading back to New York? It also implies something else:
1. It may be set after DOA 4.
2. It could very well be Genra himself since we aren't specific on the timeline (at least not as far as I'm aware).

Although the lower part of the mask seems off so it may not be Genra/Donnovan at all.
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