ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in   

NG2 Softimage case study
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ninja Fortress Forum Index -> Ninja Gaiden II
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
vspectra
Greater Ninja
Greater Ninja


Joined: 05 May 2008
Posts: 189



PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This actually looks pretty good to me. Too bad the actual game graphics don't really hold up to the cutscenes.




The carbon fiber on Ryu's new black falcon suit = a big who the F designed this.

Ninja poop wrote:
Well who else said anything about it? what else could it be? look at games like gears, assassin's creed, and similar games.

graphics = much more photo realistic

Lighting = much more dynamic

AI = gears AI is ok, but at least it can handle 10+ enemies without screen tears or slowdown. and AC's AI is dynamic and it has crowds of people.


what could it be other than these poorly optimized engines?


To be fair, those games don't even run at 60fps, and they still chug at some points during gameplay. If TN had been given the same amount of time on NG2 as they had with NG1, I'm positive the game would have ran flawlessly. NG1 had like 10 delays before they finally released it. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ninja poop
Expert Ninja
Expert Ninja


Joined: 31 May 2008
Posts: 276
Location: Im Lost
Gamertag: C01d M455cre

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gears doesn't run at 60fps? I thought it did.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vspectra
Greater Ninja
Greater Ninja


Joined: 05 May 2008
Posts: 189



PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gears is 30fps with motion blur.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bringerofchaos888
Dragon Ninja
Dragon Ninja


Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 2279
Location: ~The promissed land~
Gamertag: Bringerofchaos8 PSN: BringerOfChaos88
NGB - Master (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sanman wrote:
Bringerofchaos888 wrote:
sanman wrote:
Bringerofchaos888 wrote:
Ok, its 8:36 AM, I'm in school, and I got like 40% of what you guys just said.

And I'm weeded.


Keep these things to yourself please, thank you.
U mad? :/

I'm serious, why doesn't NGII look as good as the other next-gen games?


I meant the fact you smoke the happy gas.
Laughing You said happy gas!
Ok, so it doesn't look as good because it doesn't run at 60.f.p.s.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cooljacker
Lesser Ninja
Lesser Ninja


Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 20



PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 fps is completely acceptable for any game... Remember the movies (most of them) have only 24 fps? But for fast paced games like ng, 60 fps makes a difference. But engine should have been optimized better. Sure, if they had more time, they would do it, but since Microsoft published it (and not Tecmo), they don't take delays kindly. That whole rushing thing started with doa 3, and look where team ninja ended.
_________________
Nastavljamo obilazak, ljudi! I tako evo jednog lepog planinskog sela, ako pogledate levo videcete galon krvi i kila kol'ko ocete ljudskog mesa
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bogetsu
Common Ninja
Common Ninja


Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Posts: 83
Location: In the City of Fiends
Gamertag: bogetsu

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, NG2 can't support 60 fps but NGS can do that?? It might be due to NG2 engine is worst or maybe too advanced and difficult for constant 60 fps? Remember that Sigma engine is kinda the same as Black but with some enhanced graphics.

Last edited by Bogetsu on Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:47 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
vspectra
Greater Ninja
Greater Ninja


Joined: 05 May 2008
Posts: 189



PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bogetsu wrote:
So, NG2 can't support 60 fps but NGS can do that?? It might be due to NG2 engine is worst or maybe to advanced and difficult for constant 60 fps? Remeber that Sigma engine is kinda the same as Black but with some enhanced graphics.


Sigma is just a port of the all the things from NG on xbox (besides the new character models), so obviously it'll be able to handle 60fps with less slow down. There's less polygons and enemies on screen compared to NG2. The Sigma team didn't even bother to add more polygons to the majority of the environments in NGS, it's all the same geometry from NGB but with some texture changes. NG2 looks to be using more normal maps and specular maps for the environmental textures, not to mention the environments in general are larger, so it's more taxing on the graphics engine.

Anyway,Team Ninja is probably using the same engine as NGS, DOA4, and DOAX2. Usually they work on a game, and use the engine for that game to make slight enhancements for the next title. I'm pretty sure they even borrow coding from games of the last generation on Xbox, so their games in general aren't all that advanced graphically compared to higher budget titles.


Last edited by vspectra on Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:39 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ninja poop
Expert Ninja
Expert Ninja


Joined: 31 May 2008
Posts: 276
Location: Im Lost
Gamertag: C01d M455cre

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vspectra wrote:
Bogetsu wrote:
So, NG2 can't support 60 fps but NGS can do that?? It might be due to NG2 engine is worst or maybe to advanced and difficult for constant 60 fps? Remeber that Sigma engine is kinda the same as Black but with some enhanced graphics.


Sigma is just a port of the all the things from NG on xbox



Now hold on... I though sigma was a remake.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sanman
Shadow Ninja
Shadow Ninja


Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Posts: 2035

Gamertag: Sanman7890
NGB - Master (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja poop wrote:
vspectra wrote:
Bogetsu wrote:
So, NG2 can't support 60 fps but NGS can do that?? It might be due to NG2 engine is worst or maybe to advanced and difficult for constant 60 fps? Remeber that Sigma engine is kinda the same as Black but with some enhanced graphics.


Sigma is just a port of the all the things from NG on xbox



Now hold on... I though sigma was a remake.


No it was a port made by another team with some tweaks.


And some rather crap addtitions.


Like Rachel Missinos.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address MSN Messenger
Bringerofchaos888
Dragon Ninja
Dragon Ninja


Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 2279
Location: ~The promissed land~
Gamertag: Bringerofchaos8 PSN: BringerOfChaos88
NGB - Master (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you all mean by "poorly optimized"?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sanman
Shadow Ninja
Shadow Ninja


Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Posts: 2035

Gamertag: Sanman7890
NGB - Master (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poorly Optimized
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address MSN Messenger
Bringerofchaos888
Dragon Ninja
Dragon Ninja


Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 2279
Location: ~The promissed land~
Gamertag: Bringerofchaos8 PSN: BringerOfChaos88
NGB - Master (Amount: 1)

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, sanman, I know what the words mean.


I want to know what they mean in this context and why is it like that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ninja poop
Expert Ninja
Expert Ninja


Joined: 31 May 2008
Posts: 276
Location: Im Lost
Gamertag: C01d M455cre

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means the NG2 engines suck.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bogetsu
Common Ninja
Common Ninja


Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Posts: 83
Location: In the City of Fiends
Gamertag: bogetsu

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja poop wrote:
It means the NG2 engines suck.


Not at all but yes, I agree.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ninja Fortress Forum Index -> Ninja Gaiden II All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group