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Capn Sparky1976
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Why do I have so much trouble... Reply with quote

Sorry that I'm spamming the Black forum, but since the NGII demo isn't here, I'm trying my shot at Very Hard...and of course I'm getting my ass handed to me (getting better at the techniques at Iberians Realm though).

But getting through on Normal and Hard I still haven't pulled off an izuna drop on purpose (twice by accident). And while it's too early to be able to do it on Very Hard (Chapter 1), I'm just wondering what I am doing wrong. The issue I have is with starting the damned thing, or launching enemies at all for that matter.

If I do x,y with no enemies around he does the correct thing...slash, up slash w/ a jump (that would hopefully perform a launch). As soon as an enemy is around, the y is a slide slash. The only way I can get an enemy in the air is a stick movement with the Y attack, but I can't do anything after that except the helmet splitter end of the Y,Y combo.

I notice in a VH video at Iberians Realm, the first enemy he comes across the guy is able to launch and slash at him a couple times. I guess my question is, forget about the izuna drop, how the hell do I launch an enemy with the DS? Any ideas what I may be doing wrong? FYI I've been able to do similar moves with the UF (the xy launch and the three hits in the air) but even that is on and off if there is an enemy there.

I would appreciate any suggestion.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

XYXXXY

Try to do this one first: XYXXXX, once you do it easily, you can do the Izuna Drop.

Don't forget to get the Izuna Drop scroll.

It's so easy! good luck! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have been more succinct...I know the combo...and it seems easy, but I can't get it started. I can't get the launch going...x,y doesn't seem to launch enemey. I try to spam xyxxxx (blade of nirti) even and it just does two side-slashes to start. Does the whole combo need to be entered before the jump occurs? Perhaps it's some sort of timing thing?

If someone has the time to watch this, how is the move on the first enemy done (the launch)? It is the first chapter on Very Hard...obviously not an Izuna Drop or Blade of Nirti since the sword has not been upgraded yet/no scroll. Is it just x,y? Is there some timing I'm missing?
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget about the first X for now. Just press forward Y. That should instantly launch the enemy and then you can do Izuna Drop / Blade of Niritti.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, I'll give that a shot. It's such a funny learning curve on the harder difficulties on Chapter 1. The same experience for me on Hard as Very Hard. Extremely frustrating, getting my ass kicked, feeling like I'm making no progress, then bam. I'm on the better end of the of the ass kicking.

Started a good run and it kept going. I got to the room with the lunar. I did pretty well but had one mess up that left me with almost no health. I grabbed the lunar, went through the hole in the wall and I slaughtered the enemies with barely being touched. Came out with nearly full health and made the save point.

I have very little problems getting to Murai now...of course he is the problem. I'm having trouble even hurting him, but I kind of get the technique...it's just about execution now. Thanks for the help, I'll try the advice (and more Murai) tomorrow. Even though he's kicking my ass, at least I get to wear a red scarf and a cool mask.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Izuna Drop and the Blade of Nirrti cannot be performed with the Dragon Sword, even on level two, unless you hit every attack after the Y. And, of course, you need the scroll to do the Izuna Drop.

I advise you go to some save on Normal or Hard you have left and practice it there, try to do it on Imp Fiends, or on Vigoorian military.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's your configuration.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using standard, but any tip would be appreciated. Concentrating on forward Y helps, I may be mashing the beginning without realizing it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might seem like a stupid question but are you holding Y or tapping Y after you press X?

If you're holding Y then Ryu won't rise, if you tap Y then he will. Same thing applies to Forward+Y. If you do Forward+Y(hold) then Ryu won't rise, Forward+Y(Tap) and Ryu will rise.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just would like to say this is one of the most simple move's to pull off. Wink Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't seem surprised if that was it...now that I'm concentrating on forward Y I seem to be doing better. It's possible I was holding it, but then that would have been hard to enter the x's in the next part of the combo. I'll make sure I concentrate on light fingers though.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah just relax. If you stress yourself to much you'll never learn it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um...embarrassingly enough, I think it was holding down Y too long. Embarassed

Just stressing to much about it and forgetting the basics.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, it was an honest mistake to make.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you done it now?
When you have understood how it works, it will be very easy to use it again ^^
Izuna drop in Ninja Gaiden is not too difficult to execute, contrary to DOA...
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